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john the pom
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Post by john the pom »

G'day Tor.
Just wanna mention a coupla things. The bag of sawsust said NO DUST, I think thats the bit you need. I got my woodflour from sweeping the floor while cutting out the parts. I was a bit pedantic shaping them with a rasp and had lots of dust :)
Second and much more importantly. The area you are using for your build looks to be quite well enclosed. I just learned that is NOT A GOOD THING! Please please please ensure you have some, make that lots of ventilation.
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Post by Tor »

Thanks chaps,
The area you are using for your build looks to be quite well enclosed. I just learned that is NOT A GOOD THING! Please please please ensure you have some, make that lots of ventilation.
Thanks for looking out for me John, there are 4 louvre windows and two doors I have wide open whilst I'm working and I wear a cartridge respirator. I think I should be OK for the first part. I intend to take it outside when I start fairing the beast.
The bag of sawsust said NO DUST
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Yes it does say no dust but the sawdust is a fine grade and when I spoke to the supplier it's stated as that so that the plastic industry (which uses it as a filler) don't think it's come from sanding bags because that contains "sand" (from the abrasive belts) and that's not good. I used it tonight and it may be a bit course so I might have to "borrow" the blender...

by the way when building a 5.5 metre canoe it help if your measuring stick is longer than 5 metres...
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my first butt joint. Is the joint is a little wide 3mm? Have I under filled the joint? I intend to glass over the joint.

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9.5 hours so far, there's a bit of a way to go yet...
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Post by hairymick »

G'day Tor,

Your joint looks fine to me. 3mm gap is fine.

The surfce of your wood flour in the joint needs to be very level with the surface of your ply. If it has shrunk a little, wipe some more in before you apply the glass and resin.

Also mate, do yourself a favour and buy an 8 metre tape. A cheapy will do. (about 5 bucks at Bunnings)

Sanding dust is all I use. I collect it from the dust collector at my work and then sift it through some shade cloth before using. Works fine for me.
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Tor
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Post by Tor »

Also mate, do yourself a favour and buy an 8 metre tape. A cheapy will do. (about 5 bucks at Bunnings)
Mick, I splashed out and got me one of the $10 ones with those old fashioned inches on. :lol: :lol: :lol:

I didn't quite work out the best timing for making my joints this weekend and I won't be finished until Sunday night so it probably won't look like a boat until next week. It's a bit cooler here at the moment so I'm going to let the resin cure overnight before I move the panels.

I also couldn't make the joints on my bench I had to displace the cars...
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Commodore rotors?
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Post by Kayak Jack »

tor, a cautionary note. Do not put too much weight on an epoxy joint. You can squeeze out so much epoxy that you get an "epoxy starved joint" that will be weak and could break apart. Also, do not tighten down clamps to tightly.

Just enough pressure to hold things together.
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Post by LEE SCHNEIDERMANN »

Tor,
Just wanted to thank you for the piccies. The anticipation has to be unbearable for you! (it is for the rest of us and it's not even our boat!!)
We're all getting to re-live the feeling of seeing those flat panels magically transform into the shape of a craft that will give you many hours of enjoyable memories.
Keep up the great work. It's looking good!!

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Post by Kayak Jack »

LEE SCHNEIDERMANN wrote:... We're all getting to re-live the feeling of seeing those flat panels magically transform into the shape of a craft ...
THAT is magic.
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Post by Tor »

Thanks for all the advice.
Do not put too much weight on an epoxy joint
the weight was only to keep the joints flat, my carport floor isn't flat for the whole 18 foot+ I needed for the panel

I shall be using the plastic pipe clamps as I have a fair amount of pipe from various projects

and you are quite correct seeing the panel unfold and give that first glimpse of what the canoe is going to look like is quite amazing I only wish there were more hours in the day to finish her in one session...

here's the mid panel in place
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no I don't have a helicopter to land on her... :lol:

however the day didn't go all my way, I found that I hadn't cut the permanent frames correctly :oops: :( . I was never sure about these frames (seemed to flimsy) and may try to do them another way to make them a bit more robust. It may add a little weight but I think you'll all agree this was never going to be a one man boat.

and another thing don't let the cup you've been mixing your resin in sit on you panels and cure...:roll:
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Until next time then.
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LEE SCHNEIDERMANN
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Post by LEE SCHNEIDERMANN »

Tor,
Cover anything you don't want epoxy on with plastic. Whether it's visqueen, or glad wrap from the wife's kitchen, it will protect your floor, bench, or anything else from the inevitable drips and spills. :wink:

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