One boat - confused desirements - HELP

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One boat - confused desirements - HELP

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Okay... so my username is not a fluke. I am looking to build the first boat I will have owned. I need something pretty flexible to start, so let me start with the full list of desirements
- support a sliding seat rowing rig (like Piantadosi or equivalent home-built)
- efficient, fast and straight under row
- support kayak or canoe paddle for use with two young kids onboard
- stable enough for said young-uns to stand up without dumping us all
- capable of tripping solo for a week on Great Lakes / Boundary Waters / etc. or a weekend as a pair
- NOT interested in swift water boat (I know... that's the only allowance I've made)
- Would be nice if it could take a electric trolling-style motor for fishing solo or with kids

Or am I looking at multiple boats? Could be... Something like a DK with 4 horse on the back and trolling on the front might be nice for the fishing part. Something like a southwind looks downright deadly for the sliding seat but probably isn't wide enough to have both kids and having them stand up. Then again, a 16 or 18 foot sasquatch (with 50 pound trolling hanging off the back at times) might support all of that with a little less efficiency with the slider.

Thoughts? Guidance? HELP!!!! :?

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jem wrote:BHC might be worth a look:

http://www.jemwatercraft.com/proddetail.php?prod=BHC
Interesting suggestion. With that much height fore and aft (plus rocker fore and aft) how straight will it track, especially with cross winds?

Would it handle dropping a 50 lb trolling motor off the back with the bracket I saw you posted someplace else (bolted across both gunnels at the very aft part of the canoe)?

It might be theoretically toppable (weight wise), but I might want a trailer just for the bulk of the thing.

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Another that might work is the Sasquatch 18-36: http://www.jemwatercraft.com/proddetail ... od=Sas18-5

Any canoe that is not deck is going to get pushed around in a good wind.

What you need is a somewhat wide, long, decked (or partially decked) canoe with a large cockpit and low bow/stern. That's the only type boat I can think of that would satisfy all your needs.
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G'day and welome aboard,

I agree with Matt.

Sasquatch is a superb canoe. I would argue, probably the best stitch and glue canoe in the world (but I am very biased) :D

Another one that might be worth a look is Muskoka.

I think all canoes and kayaks are a compromise in one form or another but the desire to row it as opposed to paddling, further complicates things. BHC is probably the most rowable in the fleet, yet will still lend itself to being a usefull and capable paddler.

As this is your first build, I would respectfully recommend a simple pirogue as a practice boat before you start on a more complicated design.
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Starting with something simple is a good idea.

Designing something that can take a small outboard is tricky. Lot of times if you hang it off the back, the weight of motor and battery (or just the gas motor) will cause the stern to squat if you don't have a small square stern.

But if you have a stern, you'll create some drag and won't move as well as a canoe-like, double-end hull.
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I hadn't looked at the Muskoka, which seems to be a good first step. Wide enough, square to carry a small motor, looks to be on the simpler side of building (please confirm). Good weight and capacity... and I see our friend in the Phillipines was thinking of dropping in a rowing unit, too. Would allow me to do something like a southwind in the future for more efficiency when solo and the stability and motor capability aren't as important.

You guys might be on to something there.

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Post by banoe »

Matt is right a square sterned canoe is tricky. If you make the stern big enough to support a gas out board of any power it will drag water when you try to paddle it. But if you make a small stern or no stern the canoe squats both at rest and really squats when you give it the gas. The BHC is a good looking canoe and would be good for your purpose it would work with a trolling motor or a small 2hp gas motor on the side. You don't need any more power than a 2hp gas motor on just about any canoe more power makes the canoe squat in the stern at full throttle and makes the canoe unstable with little increase in hull speed.
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Post by Jimmy W »

Two boats would probably be the best idea. The Touring Pirogue TV would be fairly easy to build and would be good to row or paddle solo and sometimes tandem. Then maybe the DK Dingy to use with a motor and with the kids. If like many of us, you decide that you don't want to stop building after two boats then maybe build the South Wind. :D
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